Show #216: Your (cf) Client is Served

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This week's discussion includes the newly released Cold Fusion 11 (10.5) and CF Builder 3.  Dave and Scott also discuss cf.Objective, NCDevCon, and "not knowing what you don't know".

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5 responses to “Show #216: Your (cf) Client is Served”

  1. Phillip Senn Says:
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  2. Adam Cameron Says:
    So, Dave... you said people should try CFCLIENT before dissing it: fair enough. I think your logic is poor (one doesn't need to taste a poo to know it's a poo), but it's not completely *absent* in this case.

    Then you said you used it and liked it enough (and you repeat this in public fairly frequenty). Fair enough.

    However at the Adobe BOF @ CF.Objective(), you very emphatically said it should not be in the language in the first place, and should be deprecated (I'm paraphrasing, but that's the intent of what you said). I was amazed that the two people who ripped into it to Adobe regarding CFCLIENT were you and... Simon Free. The two people in the community with the most experience with it, I think.

    (I made a point of staying quiet on that topic).

    So what is your actual *honest* position on CFCLIENT? Without worrying about Adobe PR?

    --
    Adam
  3. Dave Ferguson Says:
    @Adam ..

    I am not sure your analogy is accurate. If you had never come across a pile of poo or knew what it was you would inspect it to find out. But, more often then not, if we hear that something is poo we tend to listen instead of checking it out for ourselves and forming our own opinions.

    At the Adobe BOF we were talking about that should be deprecated as the UI stuff... pod, layout, window .. all that. I don't even remember the mobile features being part of the conversation.

    My opinion on the mobile features hasn't changed. There are parts I like, parts I don't. But, used in the right context it can help streamline mobile development.

    One other note... Adobe PR has not told me what to say about the mobile features at all. I am free to say whatever I want about them.
  4. Adam Cameron Says:
    Well OK - and hey, let's not get into a back and forth on this - say the analogy is "if someone describes to me what a poo is, and also tells me that poo is bad... and then multiple people then say *exactly the same thing*, in fact everyone who knows what a poo is says the same thing... I think it's entirely reasonable to conclude they're probably right, and I don't need to taste the poo". Also, you're the only person saying it's not a poo, and you do have a reputation - like it or not - of being very quick to defend Adobe poos.

    And it was this tendency to never say anything bad about Adobe-created poo that I was referring to, not Adobe telling you not to. I didn't make that clear, sorry.

    You might not recall specifically mentioning CFCLIENT in that context (along with the UI stuff) @ the BOF, but I *do* remember it. I was so gobsmacked to hear you say it, it's kinda permanently etched in my memory.

    Anyway, enough poo, eh?

    --
    Adam
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