Jul 27
In this show we continue to discuss features of ColdFusion 9. We discuss the good and the bad of 2 new features VFS and onServerStart. Also, Mike jumps up on his soapbox and gets a few things off his chest.
In this show we continue to discuss features of ColdFusion 9. We discuss the good and the bad of 2 new features VFS and onServerStart. Also, Mike jumps up on his soapbox and gets a few things off his chest.
Jul 27, 2009 at 1:53 PM CF is expensive. Period.
We need ColdFusion Express (free).
Jul 28, 2009 at 7:48 AM Times are changing. More and more, companies (even large enterprises) are turning to open source and not avoiding it like the plague as they once were.
The good news is that now there are open source options for CFML. For example -- Railo addresses the issue you discussed about CF having features (and therefore us paying for them) even if we don't use them. Railo provides a very fast, stable, feature-complete core CFML engine. Then if you need something like event gateways, you can develop (or pay Railo to develop) an extension for you.
With open source CFML available, who needs CFExpress?
Jul 28, 2009 at 8:36 AM Since 2006, Adobe has nearly doubled the ColdFusion developer base and they didn't have to give the product away to do that! If you have to give your product away to compete, then I argue that you aren't really competing.
The fact is, it's not about business and revenue. The money we charge for ColdFusion doesn't just end up in the pockets of Adobe executives. If we lowered or removed the cost of ColdFusion, we couldn't afford to build the amount of features, provide detailed documentation, support community events, market to new developers, provide training/certtification, and build new tools like ColdFusion Builder and Server Manager.
It's fun to Monday morning CEO, but the ColdFusion business is currently thriving... not dying or dwindling like the clone engines would like to promote. ColdFusion is in use at 75+ of the Fortune 100 companies and since 2006, two thousand companies bought their first license of ColdFusion. My struggle is going to Adobe execs saying "we should make this free or else..." because the "or else..." isn't real (at least not today in 2009). To make the "free" argument, we'd need to see decline or plateau in developer growth and revenue.
ColdFusion is a _premium_ web development platform. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for...
Jul 28, 2009 at 12:42 PM I agree with Adam -- as long as Adobe keeps selling licenses and the CF developer population keeps growing, there is no reason for Adobe to make CF free. And, at this point, there would be no CF community without Adobe CF. The point of my comment was that, for those who don't want to pay for a license (for whatever reason) and still want to use CFML, time would be better spent looking at the open source engines than waiting for free ColdFusion from Adobe.
Jul 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM Point taken Adam. I'm going to revise some of my thoughts this week. What you are doing for Teachers and Students made me re-think a lot of my complaints.
Aug 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM @ Adam
....not dying or dwindling like the clone engines would like to promote....
This seams a harsh comment to the OS engines. I have never seen this said before by either Railo or OpenDB. Adobe should be in favor of the OS engines not put them down. Adam I think you should watch your tone when talking about the OS alternatives. If CF is doing so well then you should wish the OS best of luck and hope that it brings more devs to CFML in general which in the end will help Adobe.
Aug 24, 2009 at 6:26 AM @CFNeutral - Which part do you think was harsh?
The alternative engines are the very definition of a clone and Railo, in specifically, claims that their motivation for open source was to spread CFML. However, it's been over a year since that announcement and today you will only find them at ColdFusion conferences and user groups pitching to existing ColdFusion customers.
Sep 9, 2009 at 2:17 PM Who uses Cold Fusion anymore? WTF
Wake up
Sep 22, 2009 at 12:08 PM @ Adam
....not dying or dwindling like the clone engines would like to promote....
This line. I have never seen or heard Railo or OpenBD claim that cfml dying or dwindling and as a direct representative of Adobe that last thing you should be doing is making up un-truths about your own language and the community behind it regardless of whether they use your engine or an alternative.